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I've now received an updated letter from Honda, confirming that my car needs both the 6NE and 6NK updates, which agrees with the data on the recall site.

The text of the letter seems to confirm the issue is due to 'out of specification pulley roughness', which I presume means the crankshaft pulley, rather than the tensioner. If that's the case, then hopefully both the tensioner and crankshaft pulley will be replaced during the 6NK recall.

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I only received a letter about the piston-related software update as well, upon calling my local Honda garage they told me that there's another recall on my car - the timing belt (67 plate 1.0 Civic). I then checked the outstanding recalls online for my VIN and it confirmed that both recalls apply to my car. It's a complete mess as you said, I wonder whether I'm going to get the amended letter soon like yourself. I'm booked in for both recalls for next Friday anyway, hoping to get a new belt for free as judging by most people's comments, I'd have to shell out ~1,5k later this year as the car is now 6 years old with around 50k mileage.
 
I only received a letter about the piston-related software update as well, upon calling my local Honda garage they told me that there's another recall on my car - the timing belt (67 plate 1.0 Civic). I then checked the outstanding recalls online for my VIN and it confirmed that both recalls apply to my car. It's a complete mess as you said, I wonder whether I'm going to get the amended letter soon like yourself. I'm booked in for both recalls for next Friday anyway, hoping to get a new belt for free as judging by most people's comments, I'd have to shell out ~1,5k later this year as the car is now 6 years old with around 50k mileage.
My best guess (and it's only a guess) is that the current cambelt recall will cover all 1 litre cars with manual transmission built before mid-2018 (approximately). Mine is an 18 plate, registered in Spring 2018. Best to check your car's VIN on the Honda recall web page if you're in any doubt!

 
My best guess (and it's only a guess) is that the current cambelt recall will cover all 1 litre cars with manual transmission built before mid-2018 (approximately). Mine is an 18 plate, registered in Spring 2018. Best to check your car's VIN on the Honda recall web page if you're in any doubt!

Thanks, yeah I checked there earlier and it says that my car qualifies for the recall:
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It's 1.0 manual, first registered in January 2018 which seems to match your suspicions.
 
I have a 2018 1.0 L with 21k. Last serviced in November 23 under the 5 year service plan. In December I recieved the 6NE and 6NK. The dealer said 6NK wasn't on the system, last week I received the 6NK 'sorry sent in error' letter, I escalated and received a blunt reply from Honda UK escalations, the car didn't need the 6NK under the 'Product Update (recall) and that's the end of the matter in their eyes. I shall be taking this to the Onbundsman as I'm not convinced and my car has deprecated by 2k since August 23, in my opinion as a direct result of the botched recall campaign.
On checking the vehicle handbook maintenance section the timing belt should be replaced after 60 months of 62500k (circled in attachment. All the subsequent 5 service check sheets state 6 years (72 months) or 75000k. Question, have the goal posts moved since I purchased the vehicle and its 1st service? The handbook to me indicates the timing belt should have been changed in Nov 23. Any thoughts fellow Civic owners?
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I see your second image shows at the top ‘Except European…models’. Does Honda class the UK as Europe?
 
I have a 2018 1.0 L with 21k. Last serviced in November 23 under the 5 year service plan. In December I recieved the 6NE and 6NK. The dealer said 6NK wasn't on the system, last week I received the 6NK 'sorry sent in error' letter, I escalated and received a blunt reply from Honda UK escalations, the car didn't need the 6NK under the 'Product Update (recall) and that's the end of the matter in their eyes. I shall be taking this to the Onbundsman as I'm not convinced and my car has deprecated by 2k since August 23, in my opinion as a direct result of the botched recall campaign.
On checking the vehicle handbook maintenance section the timing belt should be replaced after 60 months of 62500k (circled in attachment. All the subsequent 5 service check sheets state 6 years (72 months) or 75000k. Question, have the goal posts moved since I purchased the vehicle and its 1st service? The handbook to me indicates the timing belt should have been changed in Nov 23. Any thoughts fellow Civic owners?
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This is something I’m really confused by because I’ve seen multiple people say online that it’s the 6 year service where the timing belt should be replaced, however the Honda dealership I got my car from said it’s 5 years.
I’m starting to think that perhaps it originally was 6 years and they’ve changed it to 5 because so many people are having issues with them before the 6 year mark.
 
In the same boat as some others here, have a 2017 1l, emailed main dealer about getting service done in June, was suggested that I also get the timing belt done as it was the 6 year service. Had never heard of this until that point so did some more research and ended up reading some of the horror stories online of others who had experienced issues with the belt way before the 6 year service. Obviously was not worth risking on a car worth over 10k so reluctantly paid them to get the belt done... Fast forward to now and they've reached out telling me that the belt needs to be replaced AGAIN as the one fitted in June was the old unsafe version. Unable to book me in with a courtesy car until May, have reached out to Honda with the expectation that i'd get the belt cost refunded from June as they have clearly fitted a belt that they themselves now state is no longer fit for purpose but they're not budging and are insistent that they have no interest in issuing any kind of refund.
The interesting thing is that they’ve fitted an unsafe version on your car in June, but apparently the 2017-2018 civics are the only ones which are being recalled due to issues with the timing belt, so if they’re saying Civic’s made after 2018 are “ok” then why are they still using the old timing belts 5 years after they were supposedly changed?
I really think that all of these civics have this problem and they’re just saying that it’s 2017-2018 so that there’s not a massive influx of recall repairs to do at once.
 
I see your second image shows at the top ‘Except European…models’. Does Honda class the UK as Europe?
Yes, I appreciate the 'except Europe' bit however I can't find any info within the handbook, Warranty document or other paperwork for when the vehicle was purchased that tells you the schedule of timing belt replacement in UK or Europe?
I hoping someone on this forum has the answer so I'm armed with correct info before more Honda enquiries, which I'm getting tired of !
 
This is something I’m really confused by because I’ve seen multiple people say online that it’s the 6 year service where the timing belt should be replaced, however the Honda dealership I got my car from said it’s 5 years.
I’m starting to think that perhaps it originally was 6 years and they’ve changed it to 5 because so many people are having issues with them before the 6 year mark.
That's one way of looking at it, the other is they've changed from 5 to 6 years so the belt doesn't get replaced as part of the 5 year service plan. Who knows!
 
Hi,

I've got a 67 plate civic which has only done about 23000 miles. Just dropped it off for a service and MOT and was warned that next year I would have a bill for £1600 on top of the service to replace the timing belt. Looking online I see some places that say the belt should last the lifetime of the engine. Am I being had? If it really does need doing, am I better to trust a main dealer or find somewhere less than £1600?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

Si
Just drove my 67 plate Honda civic into the dealership for service and was told £16000 (£16k) for a new engine as mine is unrepairable because of debris from degeneration of cam belt @ 40 thousand miles! Honda have said belt "was of sufficient quality and fit for purpose" so not interested in offering assistance / replacement. Total disgrace!!💩🏠. has anyone been successful in having replacements?
 
I would be seriously looking at contacting Citizens Advice with regards to sales of goods act. Providing your car was serviced properly at the the correct intervals and by Honda, you should be covered.
speaking with our solicitor tomorrow to see how to proceed after just receiving letter from dealership saying doesn't effect civics with auto gearbox. obviously it does. waiting advice
 
Honda are currently recalling only the manual transmission 2017 and 2018 model cars, which covers cars built before some point in 2018.

If all 1 litre engines on these cars are identical, it would be hard to understand why only those with manual transmissions are to be recalled, unless the fitment of automatic transmission somehow reduces wear and tear on the timing belt system. For example, it might be reasoned that automatic transmission provides consistently smoother gear changing than the manual variant, which would reduce shock loadings on transmission and engine components. If this reasoning included the timing belt system, then timing belt failure caused by shock loading might be less likely with automatic transmission. If that were the case, a manufacturer may choose to reason that failure of the timing belt would be less likely than with a manual transmission, and would not therefore require a recall of the automatic variant.

However, the 6NK Product Update which I posted on here on 10th Jan makes it clear that the cambelt itself is not the direct cause of failure, and clearly defines the issue as follows:-
"The timing belt tensioner behaviour becomes erratic due to progressive wear of the timing belt caused by out of specification pulley roughness. This results in excessive tensioner movement leading to fatigue of the tensioner spring. This changes the load on the timing belt teeth, which can result in the teeth chipping, loss of valve timing and engine stall."

The Product Update describes a self-destruction process within the timing belt system, initiated by the normal operation of a single incorrectly manufactured item within that system, and that damage to the timing belt and tensioner is a consequence of operation with the out of specification pulley. It does not state or imply that either the timing belt or the tensioner are not within specification, or are responsible for initiating the issue. The Product Update unfortunately omits to mention another possible (and widely-reported) failure mode of the system caused by the out of specification pulley and the consequential breakup of timing belt teeth, whereby the particles from the deteriorating belt pass into the engine lubrication system and eventually clog the engine's oil filter. At that point, the bypass valve within the oil filter opens correctly, allowing oil and debris to flow into both the engine's crankshaft bearings and the turbocharger bearings, causing damage and failure of those bearings leading to catastrophic damage within the engine.


I do not understand how Honda's assertion that "the belt was of sufficient quality and fit for purpose" can be valid, when there seems to be an admission that engine failure was apparently due to debris from deterioration of the belt. It seems to me that close examination of the crankshaft timing belt pulley from this engine would be in order, and its compliance with the manufacturing specification should be established.
 
Just drove my 67 plate Honda civic into the dealership for service and was told £16000 (£16k) for a new engine as mine is unrepairable because of debris from degeneration of cam belt @ 40 thousand miles! Honda have said belt "was of sufficient quality and fit for purpose" so not interested in offering assistance / replacement. Total disgrace!!💩🏠. has anyone been successful in having replacements?
Do you have FHSH and have all services been carried out on time without delay?
 
I have a 2018 1.0 L with 21k. Last serviced in November 23 under the 5 year service plan. In December I recieved the 6NE and 6NK. The dealer said 6NK wasn't on the system, last week I received the 6NK 'sorry sent in error' letter, I escalated and received a blunt reply from Honda UK escalations, the car didn't need the 6NK under the 'Product Update (recall) and that's the end of the matter in their eyes. I shall be taking this to the Onbundsman as I'm not convinced and my car has deprecated by 2k since August 23, in my opinion as a direct result of the botched recall campaign.
On checking the vehicle handbook maintenance section the timing belt should be replaced after 60 months of 62500k (circled in attachment. All the subsequent 5 service check sheets state 6 years (72 months) or 75000k. Question, have the goal posts moved since I purchased the vehicle and its 1st service? The handbook to me indicates the timing belt should have been changed in Nov 23. Any thoughts fellow Civic owners?
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Ukrainian 1.0 model its 120000 km/ 6 years and obviously the same engine. This is from Honda UK sites manual.
 

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This is from manual Civic 1.0 UK Replace belt 120000 km/ 6 years. This is for ukrainian model but it must be the same 1.0 engine as in UK model.
I find it weird how it shows the maintenance schedule for Ukrainian models and “except European, Ukrainian and South African models” in the car’s information manual, and it states that you should refer to the service book for your maintenance schedule if your car doesn’t fit into those categories…but it’s not even in the service book anyway?

Also I wonder why it states that Ukrainian models should have their timing belts changed at 6 years but the “except European, Ukrainian and South African models” states 5 years?
 
I received the 6NK timing belt product recall 'in error'???, a 2018 Civic with 21k on the clock serviced under the 5 year plan at Honda Bolton. I've exhausted enquiries with Honda UK and the service manager at Honda Bolton who basically didn't want to know. The piece of work service manager actually said the recall was an error, however "if you're that concerned get the belt changed" at full expense to me. Got the feeling that as I fully owned the car, not leased or on finance to him I was irrelevant to him. Having owned 3 Civics over 10 years (the 1st 2 being the excellent 1.8 VTEC) I no longer have any confidence in the 1.0 litre pile of crap. It's been traded in whist it still has a bit of value. I'm done with Honda. Absolutely disgusted.
 
I got the Civic back last week with a brand new engine paid for by Honda following the timing belt break. So I'm very impressed by their goodwill gesture but 2 days later the engine warning light has come on. After diagnosis at the Honda dealer. now the Catalytic converter is working below threshold and Honda will not pay for that because its part of exhaust system. Cost to me £2300 for a new cat.
I just cant believe the prices of Honda parts!!! The car is 5 years old, surely the cat should last longer than that. The timing belt problem must surely be related and they have taken responsibility for that. The whole saga has been going on for more than a month. Expensive and frustrating!!!!
Hi,
How did you managed Honda to replace your engine??? My civic 2017 2days ago brokedown and i guess engine needs replacement. Not sure if they will replace it for me😭
 
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