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Hi all,

I have a '93 Honda Civic VTI 1.6 and it always starts first time.

The problem happens when I drive a short distance (say to local petrol station), the engine isn't warm yet

I fill it up and pay for the fuel. When I try to start it, it starts, the rev counter goes up to 1 and then the engine

just cuts out completely. If I try again it just won't fire.

I wait around 5 minutes then it starts fine. It always follows this pattern.

If it's warm there's usually no problem starting and stopping the engine, although during the occasional long journey when
stopping for fuel we had to wait a few minutes to start which made me think it's something to do with a temperature sensor.

My brother owned the car before me and it had the problem the whole time but his mechanic had no idea!

Can anyone shed any light on this?

Thanks.
 

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Best take it into a garage and fire it up on the diagnostic machine, will most likey be a sensor though.
Maybe the idle control valve or stepper valve (if they have one) is faulty.
 

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Hi mate, thanks for the reply.

It was in the garage before and they weren't exactly sure what the problem was and they said it would take replacing

several things and $$$ to find out. However they're not Honda specialists and I don't know of any near me.

One time I stalled when it was still cold, pulling away on a steep hill on the way up to traffic lights!! Not good!!

Had to just fire the hazards on and wait it out!! The usual 5 mins later it took off.

The thing is the car has been stolen twice and recovered from Insurance write off by me.

I can't afford to keep putting it in the garage unless I can find out what to have them replace.

Has any other 1993 VTI hatchback owners come across this before?

Thanks
 

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hi, i have the same problem, got a 93 saloon vti, you go and start the car in the morning it doesnt fire up first time. normally i wait for atleast 2 minutes then it comes on. happens about 5 times a month on odd occasions. i heard they have got a distributor common problem. but a good set of spark plugs and regular serivce then you should be o.k
 

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are you allowing the fuel pump to prime (on the setting 2) before starting? it sounds like an immobiliser fault to me. remove the key lock unlock then put key back in and try that?
 

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You may find this is coolant temp sensor related as it is used for warm up enrichment, maybe try disconnecting it when you reproduce the fault and it should revert to a base value. If this enables it to run then its possible its the problem
 

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Thanks for the suggestions. I'm allowing it time on setting 2 - but it doesn't make a difference unless the time is at least a few minutes..

I'll try removing the key and locking and unlocking then starting it like you suggested but the problem normally happens once i've filled up when the keys been out anyway. Although I guess I never lock it when filling up so i'll try it! cheers

how do I dind the coolant temp sensor to disconnect? Is it easy enough for a non-mechanic?!

Loving this VTI it sounds amazing

Cheers
 

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yes you will find it on thermostat housing on left side of head as you look at engine
 

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short journeys kill the battery,
could be dirty dizzy terminals.
i had a bent key and the immobilser didn't like that!
thermostat would be causing you problems too, when cold starting see if you exh smells rich, as it should be a little rich for cold starts.
get a haynes manual and do a few checks. dont let a garage do you fo an easy to solve problem.
 

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battery is not your problem, it is turning over

dizzy terminals 'normally' are worse from first cold start

i resent the comment about a garage jugga, you pay for our experience thus saving you wasting money buying parts you think are causing the problem.does depend what garage ou go to of course ;) ;) ;)
 

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Jugga said:
short journeys kill the battery,
could be dirty dizzy terminals.
i had a bent key and the immobilser didn't like that!
thermostat would be causing you problems too, when cold starting see if you exh smells rich, as it should be a little rich for cold starts.
get a haynes manual and do a few checks. dont let a garage do you fo an easy to solve problem.
short journeys do kill battery but its turning over so thats good
which particular distributor terminal are you on about ?
thermostat could be causing problem, please explain how this would cause a problem cold starting ?
get a haynes manual i would not bother no really i would not !
dont let a garage do you for an easy fix , if its an easy fix whats the answer then ?
 

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i think he ment the 4 dizzy contacts
 

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hi, i have the same problem, got a 93 saloon vti, you go and start the car in the morning it doesnt fire up first time. normally i wait for atleast 2 minutes then it comes on. happens about 5 times a month on odd occasions. i heard they have got a distributor common problem. but a good set of spark plugs and regular serivce then you should be o.k
Sorry that 's not the same because it does start first time.
It even starts when it's bloody cold outside.

It's more of a second start problem - I should have started this thread with a better name ))

If it gets turned off before being warmed up properly. You go to start again - it starts and ticks over for a second - and it's like the engine just turns itself off!

Like the engine was too cold before being stopped.

Its got new spark plugs and had a full service too.

The workaround is timing fuel stops for the end of the journey so the cars warm and there's no issue!! Other than fuel stops you'd normally be out the car for more than 5 minutes so you don't notice it at all.

battery is not your problem, it is turning over
Dan's right - changed the battery, checked terminals - no problems there. It's freezing outside right now (Scotland) - I went out and it starts right away like hardly a tickle!

If I wait 10 seconds and turn it off - then start again it turns over for a second revs go up to 1 and the engine just switches off - even when I rev it right up high.

Wait 5 - and it's good again =)

dont let a garage do you for an easy fix , if its an easy fix whats the answer then ?
I don't mind letting a garage do it - they're good guys they never charged me before for the time spent on it - just fixed the other issues it had and left this one until they spoke to me further.

But it would save money if I can fix this myself or at least know what to have them replace since they already looked.
 

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disconnect that sensor first buddy

do you know how to read your fault codes?
 

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my civic did have an alarm so my mechani said to things that could be wrong my immoboliser or cold start sensor could do with replacing he said it should cost you make £20 plus parts. mite get it checked out.
 

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cold start sensor?! whats that then?
 

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Hey,

This is almost exactly the same problem I have- and someone else as well- I've posted links to both threads below. Second and third starts are a killer. Almost guaranteed third time will not work UNTIL 2 or 3 mins has ticked by! Otherwise starts first time! Only difference is once or twice I've done an hour or two drive and then stopped for petrol and it'll turn over but not fire! In my case at least it can't be the temperature of the engine- unless a sensor is doing something it shouldn't. I heard a vacuum forming issue might be behind it but I'm looking for anything I can check. Sometimes the failed starts have really high revs and then after starting the engine dies- other times the starter runs so slowly it doesn't even fire the engine. Mine's a 1.6 VTEC ESi 94. Keep me posted the garage haven't got a clue!

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