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Hi, help needed please! (2002 HONDA CIVIC 1.7 CTDI DIESEL)

Was driving on the M-Way about 75 ish when the car gave a very small 'cough', the engine management light and th heater glow plug lights both came on. Although i slowed down slightly, the performance was not affected whatsoever, still pulled as usual.

At the next suitable place i pulled over switched the car off and started it back again, (warning lights continued to stay on ) so i continued as normal. I went to my destination, and when i got back into the car it would not start up, however it started back up again after about 5 mins.

On my way back home ( i used the side roads because of this), i was travelling at about 35 ish and the car simply cut off, i pulled over on to the side and the car would not start up, after 5-10 mins it started up again. This then happend twice again , (at one time it simply cut off in the middle of the road at the traffic lights at a cross road, was very dangerous). The car did not seem to start up and because of the location, i was towed to a safer place. However it started up again after 5-10 mins.

Next day both lights went off. However these lights do come on now and again in no particular pattern ,and then when ever it feels like it will simply cut off. But usually will start after 5-10 mins. (but in a awkard places even 2 mins wait is very long).

It feels to me like the fuel supply has been stopped. Fuel filter change was suggested but no joy. I did call the AA the other day, and when he came after 30 mins (car obviously started again straightway), he plugged his code reader in and said its 'showing undefined code'.

Any suggestions of what could be wrong.
 

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Hi again, problem still not sorted, any help please!

BTW i think its cutting out when engine becomes warm.

I have been suggested the following as possibilities

Fuel Pump Relay, Crank Sensor, Engine Temperature Sensor, ECU, Egr valve
 

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Have you spoke to the dealer or any diesel specialist garages? there are a limited number of people on here who have a diesel......most of us despise them lol. But you may get more luck down those routes. Although there are a couple of diesel drivers on here that may possibly be able to help.
 

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I only spoke to dealer, and a diesel specialist but they want to see the car. I cant drive up there because when it cuts out it is very dangerous, and i know for definite it will stop in the most dangerous place before even getting half way there. But a mobile mechanic said he will come down, over weekend, or monday to do a diagnostic check (because busy and due to snow).
 

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Same problem here. I have a 1.7CTDI Civic that does not like the cold weather. Engine management light and glow plug lights are on and engine is cutting out all the time. Is it just the cold? It has happened two morings in a row now. Yesterday I left it parked in the sun and drove it around one o'clock and it ran fine for the rest of the day. Got in it this morning and it ran great until I hit 3500 RPM and then the engine 'coughed' and the two warning lights came on. About a mile later it died and keeped dying for the rest of my journey. Fuel pump does sound a bit noisy. Any suggestions?
 

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drewdidriksen said:
Same problem here. I have a 1.7CTDI Civic that does not like the cold weather. Engine management light and glow plug lights are on and engine is cutting out all the time. Is it just the cold? It has happened two morings in a row now. Yesterday I left it parked in the sun and drove it around one o'clock and it ran fine for the rest of the day. Got in it this morning and it ran great until I hit 3500 RPM and then the engine 'coughed' and the two warning lights came on. About a mile later it died and keeped dying for the rest of my journey. Fuel pump does sound a bit noisy. Any suggestions?
However I actually think mine likes the cold. I had it started up yesterday and gave no problems for about one and a half hour. However i've noticed the car was taking longer than normal to blow warm air , i also noticed that eventhough after roughly 30 mins, i had some slight warm air, my temperature gauge hardly rised.

However after about an hour or may be more, i did feel the proper warmer air that i am used to with this car, but then after 5-10 mins the temperature gauge did rise but just touching the lowest marking, then after 5 mins the car cut off, but did start after leaving it for 5 mins (may be because was cooling down), but then when started again after 5-10 mins cut off again ( may be hot again), this then caried on cutting out and starting up after 5- 10 mins etc etc.

As a result i think it is something to do with the vehicles cooling system. I am thinking i will replace the engine temperature sensor and the thermostat to start off with ( as not expensive at all according to euro car parts website
 

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i suspect the diesel is waxing due to the cold weather, it starts this at around -9celcius i lead to believe this happens in the filter,

the glow plugs staying on is to help heat up the system and the cutting out is lack of fuel due to waxing.

I am a diesel mech for Cummins and not had any bother with our engines but my neigbour has a 09 ford ranger and his is cutting out.

I took mine into the heated work shop and let it de-frost and ran fine but the lights were still on so i took out the 60amp fues (yellow) which is under the bonnet in small fues box undone the 2 little screws and started the engine a few times and all lights are out and workfine now althogh i still have a fault with the eps when reving for 5 mins the light comes on and now power steering
 

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Hi again, car had a diagnostic today and faults Shown.

Crankshaft position sensor no signal, fuel pressure voltage high, fuel pressure voltage low,

(ill try to add the actual codes tommorrow)

Any ideas now
 

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Re: Civic 1.7 CTDI Stalls / Cuts off Engine & Glow Plug ligh

Hi there, mine done exactly the same in the cold weather, just after getting a new turbo fitted under honda s "secret" extended warranty, went through the local garage who picked up an unexplained error code,eventually booked it in to dealer 100 miles away, and repair took 5 mins, the wastegate linkage had come off, which meant that the turbo was either over or under boosting, so fuel system shut down to try and compensate.If anyone out there does nt know about the turbo warranty,its covered until the car s 6th birthday.theye dealers dont like you knowing that!!,i had the email from honda to prove it.
 

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Re: Civic 1.7 CTDI Stalls / Cuts off Engine & Glow Plug ligh

Is this problem the cam sensor at the top of the engine or the crank sensor at the bottom, a lot of confusion due to different words and pictures with this topic around the forums
 

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Re: Civic 1.7 CTDI Stalls / Cuts off Engine & Glow Plug ligh

So that everyone is aware the part causing the problem is the crankshaft sensor located at the rear of the block just above where the driver's side drive shaft enters the gearbox. It's a 10mm bolt holding in place.
 

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Re: Civic 1.7 CTDI Stalls / Cuts off Engine & Glow Plug ligh

Re above probs - I encountered same yesterday 18.3.12 thanks for crank sensor suggestion - also re 'secret' Honda fault - I have done 190,000 miles with the fault - mainly to see how long it would take my dealer to contact me about it! - I am still waiting!! I think this is grossly irresponsible of Honda for allowing a potentially dangerous cut-off fault to be kept 'under wraps' - does anyone agree?
 

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Hi,

Sorry to revive an old thread, I've got a 54 Plate Civic 1.7 CTDI and am now encountering this issue, It cuts out at idle when the engine is warm, Glow plug light on and won't go out until it's left to cool down for a little while now I've ordered the camshaft sensor, The one at the top of the plastic timing belt cover at the front drivers side because someone said in another thread it was that sensor but now I'm reading here it's the crankshaft sensor underneath?

Can someone please confirm as I've just shelled out £50 for a camshaft sensor waiting to be delivered and don't want to fit it if it's the wrong sensor, I'm getting conflicting advice.

Also when looking for a crankshaft sensor for this vehicle online at car parts resellers why am I seeing 2 types? One is just a standalone sensor with the plug on the sensor itself and another one with a little fly lead attached with a plug on the end, I can't see this sensor on the car from the car, The only other one I can see is a Bosch one at the top behind the cylinder head? Does anyone have an image they could share of what is the correct crankshaft sensor please?

Thanks in advance.
 

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Well I just changed the camshaft sensor bas suggested by another thread and that didn't work, As soon as the car heats up to around 70c water temp engine cuts out Glow plug light on won't restart until cooled down and throws up crankshaft sensor code P1331.

Where the hell is the crankshaft sensor on this Civic I can't see it the Haynes manual is useless, Can it be seen from the top of the engine bay?
 
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